tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7043247847121448066.post4333591253814013065..comments2023-06-01T05:02:18.461-07:00Comments on Unsung Sewing Patterns: Butterick 4147 - Knickers for Ladies, Misses, and Girlsandrea.at.the.blue.doorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08532947489421472003noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7043247847121448066.post-67647277800238977802009-10-06T20:41:15.123-07:002009-10-06T20:41:15.123-07:00twbd - the Folkwear pattern is number 506, and it&...twbd - the Folkwear pattern is number 506, and it's called Equestriennes. It appears to be discontinued - a few online vendors appear to have it in stock, and it may still be in some bricks-and-mortar store stock, so it may be worth calling around to Folkwear pattern vendors in your area.andrea.at.the.blue.doorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08532947489421472003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7043247847121448066.post-87667652613968367672009-10-06T16:28:55.329-07:002009-10-06T16:28:55.329-07:00there also was a Folkwear pattern that featured a ...there also was a Folkwear pattern that featured a jacket, vest and breeches. I cannot find a reference to anywere on the internet.twbdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06629064555580681713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7043247847121448066.post-13210324629550886042009-10-04T13:38:34.830-07:002009-10-04T13:38:34.830-07:00twbd - thanks so much for the references to other ...twbd - thanks so much for the references to other ladies' riding clothes patterns.<br /><br />I have a suspicion that the pattern companies themselves don't have particularly good archives. Partly this is due to the overhead of maintaining space and cataloging resources, but I also suspect that during both World Wars there were paper drives for the war effort.<br /><br />And then the patterns themselves are pretty ephemeral. My local Goodwill shop uses sewing patterns for wrapping glassware, as my mother used to do when we would move house.andrea.at.the.blue.doorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08532947489421472003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7043247847121448066.post-9806550975540674352009-10-04T12:39:21.073-07:002009-10-04T12:39:21.073-07:00I found reference Butterick pattern 4147 in Commer...I found reference Butterick pattern 4147 in Commerical Pattern Archives http://www.uri.edu/library/special_collections/COPA/ when they had free use week earlier this year. I also found reference to 1930 Butterick 5647 Jodhpurs for Women, Misses and Girls- 1930 Butterick 3091 Riding Habit for Women, Misses and Girls as well as a Taylor and Cutter pattern for men. Last I fould 1909 Butterick 3313 Ladies ridging breeches w/calf extentions on etsy -but someone beat me to that pattern.<br /><br />I wrote to Butterick but they suggest that I troll the internet ant ebay for the patterns.<br /><br />Thanks so much for the copies of the instructions. No if I can just get a hold to a projector.<br /><br />If anyone is willing to trace a copy of the pattern please contact me at wilhelminathomas@hotmail.comtwbdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06629064555580681713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7043247847121448066.post-15066942752920119582009-09-17T19:40:06.562-07:002009-09-17T19:40:06.562-07:00Hi i am a BFA Candidate at the The School of the ...Hi i am a BFA Candidate at the The School of the Art Institute of Chicago. I am in the fashion department (Most recent Maria Pinto went to our school among many others). Currently I am doing a research project on the 1920s and we have to find actual patterns from the time. I am actually focused on ladies Knickers, Oxfords (shirts) and ties. Your blog has been the only place I have see an authentic pattern and I have been to every library in Chicago. Please Please Please PLease email me at marariane@yahoo.com I do not want to take your pattern I completely understand its vaule to you, I am asking if you could photocopy the pattern and email to me. thank you so much<br />MaraAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09642751855687243460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7043247847121448066.post-3989285177527823842009-05-06T20:42:00.000-07:002009-05-06T20:42:00.000-07:00I think what makes this conversation so interestin...I think what makes this conversation so interesting is all the different terms that have come up; knickers (and Pen is right; the term started out as knickerbockers) breeches, bloomers, jodhpurs. And knickers and bloomers can refer to either outer or undergarments, depending on the time and place.andrea.at.the.blue.doorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08532947489421472003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7043247847121448066.post-61158355031412535252009-05-06T10:07:00.000-07:002009-05-06T10:07:00.000-07:00I used to have my grandmother's jodhpurs (probably...I used to have my grandmother's jodhpurs (probably circa mid- to late-1930's, as she was born in 1916, but very similar to those on the girl in the picture). Hers were upper-calf-length, too.<br /><br />Thank goodness we have Lycra and other stretchy fabrics nowadays, and aren't so squeamish about the visible female figure. I confess I'd rather wear jeans to ride any day than those jodhpurs (but then I ride Western, where you definitely don't want short pants).<br /><br />Lady explorer <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabella_Bird" REL="nofollow">Isabella Bird</A> wore a short [for the time] skirt with bloomers and men's boots in the Rocky Mountains in the 1870's. I think that was what passed as "sportswear" pretty much until the 1920's.Little Black Carhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14313164876855565140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7043247847121448066.post-28756818995195414522009-05-06T03:58:00.000-07:002009-05-06T03:58:00.000-07:00maybe it's 'knickers' as in 'knickerbockers'
love ...maybe it's 'knickers' as in 'knickerbockers'<br />love the patterns and love what you are doing!<br />you've got a great collection!penhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18267416259888049673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7043247847121448066.post-14017519844971917272009-04-23T16:23:00.000-07:002009-04-23T16:23:00.000-07:00I don't have an original catalog, but in "Everyday...I don't have an original catalog, but in "Everyday Fashions of the 1920's" which shows typical Sears, Roebuck catalog pages, there are two riding outfits shown, one with jodphurs.Shayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16527241089629026268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7043247847121448066.post-42118880392389743272009-04-21T21:16:00.000-07:002009-04-21T21:16:00.000-07:00That's interesting. I checked my catalogs for bot...That's interesting. I checked my catalogs for both Charles Williams Stores and Montgomery Ward and neither of them carried jodhpurs. (MW didn't even carry women's breeches.) <br /><br />I probably ought to hunt down a National Bellas Hess catalog to see what they offered.andrea.at.the.blue.doorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08532947489421472003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7043247847121448066.post-84120363901893202202009-04-21T18:40:00.000-07:002009-04-21T18:40:00.000-07:00I have an mid-to-late 1920's pattern (2 patterns, ...I have an mid-to-late 1920's pattern (2 patterns, actually) for a riding outfit, jodhpurs and jacket. The jodhpurs are very like these breeches except they are full length and strap under the ankle.Shayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16527241089629026268noreply@blogger.com